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Outboard engine manufacturers have rules and regulations that they must follow by law. So a 250 hp outboard is just that. While you may see some different performance throughout the rpm range all of them are going to perform similarly. I know nothing of honda outboards but Im willing to bet blind folded and with ear plugs in if you rode in the same boat but had each outboard manufacturers 4 stroke engine on it you couldnt tell which one was which. Most people choose a specific brand based on personal preference and available service.
I ran a 225 on my latest Cougar. LOVED IT!! My next Cat I will purchase, will have another. It was very nice to run down the lake and still be able to talk to a passenger. It was not as fast as the others, but I would not trade it for anything else. I may be biased, but I have owned all the others and this is my number 1 to me.
I would hardly say all 4 strokes the same. Suzuki 4 stroke has 2:01 case and performance no where near the SHO because of it. A 30 fury a little hard to find..lol. Now if Suzuki made a 1.86, that would be an entirelydifferent discussion altogether. But they dont so…ifs and buts and candy nuts and all.As for two stroke “others”, only the SHO runs with the two strokes in terms of speed.To me I just cant see owning anything other than one of the “big two”(Merc and Yamaha) in terms of speed, reliability, and ease of repair. There will be those that evinrude works well for them too but those are fewer.So like Chet below I hardly feel that its 6 of one half dozen of the other. Last edited by clownshoes on February 23rd, 2015, 2:44 am, edited 1 time in total.C.O.D. Jr. III
Fireman, what was your best speed with the 225. Hole shot acceptable. Anyone ever run a 250?
94eyracat wrote:Outboard engine manufacturers have rules and regulations that they must follow by law. So a 250 hp outboard is just that. While you may see some different performance throughout the rpm range all of them are going to perform similarly. I know nothing of honda outboards but Im willing to bet blind folded and with ear plugs in if you rode in the same boat but had each outboard manufacturers 4 stroke engine on it you couldnt tell which one was which. Most people choose a specific brand based on personal preference and available service.No sir not even close. Different displacement as well as numerous other differences.
Although I have never owned a honda marine motor, I do like them and would be proud to hang one off my cat.
Bama96 wrote:94eyracat wrote:Outboard engine manufacturers have rules and regulations that they must follow by law. So a 250 hp outboard is just that. While you may see some different performance throughout the rpm range all of them are going to perform similarly. I know nothing of honda outboards but Im willing to bet blind folded and with ear plugs in if you rode in the same boat but had each outboard manufacturers 4 stroke engine on it you couldnt tell which one was which. Most people choose a specific brand based on personal preference and available service.No sir not even close. Different displacement as well as numerous other differences. Yes I undrestand displacement isnt the same on all of the engines… My point is that 250 HP is just that 250 HP. The manufacturer cant say an engine is 250 HP unless its producing 250 HP. Gear ratio is obviously going to make a difference. So you guys are telling me that if you rode in a boat without looking at the engine and ears plugged you could say that was the Yammi this is a Verado and this is a Honda?
ABSOLUTELY !One growls, one purrs, and one screams.btw, the Zuki I believe is 2.08:1 ratio, and would probably sling a 32p prop ! DF250SSSpecs: ||Recommended Transom Height (inches), L: 20, ||Starting System, Electric, ||Weight LBS, L: 578, ||Engine Type, DOHC 24-Valve, ||Fuel Delivery System, Multi Point Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection, ||No. Of Cylinders, V6 (55°), ||Piston Displacement inches (cc), 245.6 (4028), ||Bore X Stroke Inches (mm), 3.81 x 3.46 (98 x 89), ||Maximum Output HP, 250, ||Operating Range (RPM), 5300-6300, ||Steering, Remote, ||Choke, N/A, ||Oil Pan Capacity quarts (liter), 8.5 (8.0), ||Ignition System, Solid State Direct Ignition, ||Alternator, 12V 54A, ||Trim Position, Power Trim and Tilt, ||Gear Ratio, 2.08:1, ||Standard Propeller, Optional See Dealer, ||Propeller Selection, 17 – 32, || AdvantagesModel Name: DF250SS, Verado™, F225 Sport Model, ||Manufacturer: Suzuki, Mercury, Yamaha, ||Horsepower: 250, 250, 225, ||Shaft Length (Inches): L (20), L (20), L (20), ||Weight (Lbs): L (578), 635, 584, ||Cylinders: V-6 (55°), Inline 6, V-6 (60°), ||Valves Per Cylinder: DOHC 4 Valves Per Cyl, DOHC 4 Valves Per Cyl, DOHC 4 Valves Per Cyl, ||Valve Train Drive: Self adjusting oil bathed chain with variable valve timing, Single overhead timing belt, Single overhead timing belt, ||Displacement: 245.6 cu. in. (4028 cc), 158.5 cu in. (2598 cc), 204.6 cu.in. (3352 cc), ||Bore and Stroke (Inches/mm): 3.81 x 3.46 in. (98 x 89 mm), 3.23×3.23 in (82x82mm), 3.70 x 3.78 in (94.0 x80.5mm) , ||Operating Range (RPM): 5700 – 6300, 5800 – 6400, 5000 – 6000, ||Induction System: EFI – Long Trade Intake, EFI – Supercharged, EFI – Long Track Intake, ||Starting System: Electric Start, Electric, Electric, ||Lubrication: Wet Sump, Integrated dry sump, Wet Sump, ||Oil Tank Capacity: 8.7 qt. (8.2 lit.), 8.5 qt. (8.0lit), 6.1 qt., ||Ignition: Direct Ignition, Digital Inductive, TCI Micro Computer, ||Alternator: 12V 54A, 12V 70A, 12V 46A, ||Trim Type: Power Trim and Tilt, Power Trim and Tilt, Power Trim and Tilt, ||Gear Ratio: 2.08:1, 1.85:1, 2.00:1, ||CARB Emissions Rating: 3-Star Ultra Low, 2-Star Very Low Emissions, 3-Star Ultra Low, ||Standard Propeller (Blades x Dia. x Pitches (Ins.)): Optional – See Dealer, Unknown, Unknown, ||Range of Avail. Optional Propeller Pitches: 17 – 32, Unknown, Unknown, ||Steering: Remote, Unknown, Unknown, ||DF250SS AdvantagesOver MercuryNatural Aspiration vs. SuperCharge. Every Authorized Suzuki Dealer can service vs. Limited Authorized Service Centers Offset Drive shaft. Better balance on the transom. Self adjusting timing chain vs. Over head belt. No belt maintenance or adjustment necessary. Easy access Shim and Bucket valve adjustment quick and accurate valve adjustment vs. expensive service 245.5 cu. in. vs. 158.5 cu. in. No replacement for displacement. 2.08 : 1 vs 1.75 : 1. Lower gear ratio to swing a larger prop for improved acceleration 578 lbs vs 635 lbs. Better Power to Weight Ratio. 3 Star vs. 2 Star Clean EmissionOver Yamaha250hp vs. 225 55° vs 60° block for compact, lighter, design Multi-Stage Induction, Boost torque and maximize power. Offset Drive shaft. Better balance on the transom. Self adjusting timing chain vs. Over head belt. No belt maintenance or adjustment necessary. 245.6 cu. in, vs. 204.6 cu.in. No replacement for displacement Streamline Gearcase with 18% less drag for improved acceleration and top end speed. 54 Amp charging vs 45 Amp. , || , || , || , || , ||. , || , || , ||World Famous QualityThe BF250 shares many components with the Honda Ridgeline, Odyssey, Honda Pilot, Accord, and Acura RL, gaining years of proven Honda engineering, precision manufacturing and reliability. , || , ||, || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , ||, || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , || , ||EngineType, 4-Stroke, SOHC, 60? V6, 24 Valve, ||Displacement, 3583cc (219 cubic ins.), ||Bore & Stroke, 89 X 96 mm, ||Full Throttle RPM Range, 5300 – 6300 RPM, ||Rated Power, 250 HP @ 5800 RPM, ||Cooling System, Water Cooled, ||Fuel Delivery, Programmed Fuel Injection, ||Ignition System, MicroComputer Programmed, ||Starting System, Electric, ||Exhaust, Through Hub, ||Lubrication, Wet Sump, ||Trim Range, -4° to +16°, ||Tilt Range, 72°, ||DriveGear Ratio, 2.00:1 (24/12), ||Gear Shift, F-N-R, ||Alternator (Electric Start), 90-Amp (1118 watt), ||Battery Charging Power, 60 Amps (756 watts), ||Propeller, Optional, ||Power Tilt, NA, ||Power Trim & Tilt, Standard, ||Gas Assisted Tilt, NA, ||Oil Pressure Alert, Standard, ||Temperature Alert, Standard, ||Rev-Limiter, Standard, ||Speedometer Pickup, Standard, ||DimensionsOverall Width, 625 mm/24.6 inches, ||Transom HeightL Type, 508mm/20 in., ||X Type, 635mm/25 in., ||XX Type, 762mm/30 in., ||Dry WeightL-Type, 272 kg – 600 lbs., ||X-Type, 278 kg – 613 lbs, ||XX-Type, 282 kg – 622 lbs., || Last edited by dbasketman on February 23rd, 2015, 7:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Sorry for the horrible post, but my choice is always to buy American when possible. That being said, if I were to consider the others Ive owned some of all the above products, and they are all great engines, although I think Suzuki is a bit more performance minded in their offering, if you can get a prop !
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