I believe that Chris is actually talking about losing 2d, in which case, for HB, that is coming from his glassed in ducer in the bilge area. They are known to fail after a few years. Putting in a new one is not expensive at all, but, requires some work in moving some plumbing in the bilge area, knocking out the old ducer, glassing in the new one, and fishing some wire to the dash.Testing is actually available to confirm failure of the glassed in 2d ducer. It requires being on the water, and accessing the y cable and the back of the head unit at the dash. Firstly, disconnect both ducers from the y cable. Then plug the suspect 2d bilge ducer directly into the back of the head unit. Configure the unit to read 2d from the dual beam 200/83 ducer. Idle around. Readings will likely be erratic like previously.Then, disconnect that ducer, and then plug in the imaging ducer into the back of the head unit. Configure the unit to read 2d from the imaging transducer. ldle around. 2d should work perfectly. If your testing follows as above, then you are confirming failure of the 2d bilge transducer.There are two other scenarios, but not nearly as frequent.If when you test each transducer separately as above, and they both work, then, in effect, you are bypassing the y cable, indicating a faulty y cable.If, when you test each transducer separately as above, and neither one works, then it is likely a head unit problem.But, most of the time, it will be failure of the glassed in 2d transducer. Hope this helps.