Loanshark,Thanks for the info, I will be there on the 17-19th trying to figure them out, and try not to do any damage to the Merc and Kitty. Was there about 3 weeks ago and the only thing we could get were schoolies, just looked on a web site that said that the lake was at 167, which is only about a 1 different than when I was there last. Looks like they are going to pull it down to 165 though. Thanks again,JR