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Well, I have a 21 p2 w/ a 4s 200 proxs. My boat came with a 24p fury 3. Couldn’t get rpms up over 55-5600. Dealer was nice and swapped out 24 for a 23. That got me up to 57-5800 at 68-69 mph. Been running that for a few months and works pretty good, ran the fury 3 3/8 ptp. Getting speed of graph and rpm from smart craft. Just me usually, water in livewells and a 1/2 to full tank of gas, for testing purposes.
Saw this post a while back and figured would give trophy plus 23 a try, got one for a really good deal.
Played with settings a bit, setup the way was suggested with blowout ring, 2 solid pvs and 2 partial pvs at 2 7/8 ptp. Had horrible cavitation on holeshot and would almost freerev on acceleration, so had to change something. I lowered the motor to 3 7/16 and still had bad holeshot and cavitation. I plugged all the holes on the prop and lowered the engine, I am at 3 9/16 prop to pad now and holeshot is awesome. I can get it up to about 67 at 5900 rpms now. But chine comes on strong at about 65-66 mph. Going to try raising motor up a quarter inch and see what happens. Maybe plugging the PVS plugs all down fixed the holeshot, raising it a little will help with the chine. Should be doing changes 1 thing at a time, but time doesn’t always allow.
I leveled the boat on the trailer with a 4 ft level, using the tongue jack. Leveled the lower unit off of the cavitation plate with a torpedo level with the trim switch. Measured at bottom of pad and centerline if prop shaft at rear to the garage floor. Did this to get baseline. On my boat inner and outer plates on jackplate level is about 4 inches prop to pad. So once you know that you can make changes at the jack plate and add/substrate from your baseline to get prop to pad after adjusting at jack plate. Guessing each boat is slightly difference.
Never had any issues with water pressure at any engine height I tried. Always seems to run 15-20 when up to speed. No issues with water temp.
Been trying to learn how to prevent the chine walking from starting, and getting better, but need more practice. Some good info on this forum for that.
One thing I did notice over the 23 fury 3, the trophy seems to get worse gas mileage. Guessing because is 4 blades vs 3, more drag maybe. Maybe wrong terminology but the fury 3 seems to hook up better in a straight line once you get going and run flatter. The trophy seems to work better at midrange speeds, handling and holeshot with a load. I’m thinking the trophy plus will be better in summer when it’s hot and have a heavy load, fury colder weather when it can run.
Been trying to get over 70 safely, kind of feel like after get there won’t be as important anymore. Just kind of a goal at this point. Seems like everyone else with this boat gets there pretty easily. So might just be the loose nut behind the wheel.
Unravels, I am the original poster on this thread. I am still running the 23 Trophy + and the more I drive it, the better it gets. I also have all solid plugs in my prop. Excellent hole shot that way. I lowered my motor to 3 1/4″ PTP and that’s where I’m at now and I like it there.
Here is what I recommend you do. Don’t go WOT while learning to drive your boat! With the Trophy you get good lift so just go at a comfortably fast speed maybe 4500 rpms, 55 to 60 mph and trim higher and go faster until you feel the chine walk starting and get the feel of using the steering to control it. Once you can control it at slower speed, then go faster and faster until you can control it confidently. You will find that you can trim higher than you think with excellent results. You will eventually find the right trim setting that will get you a stable ride at WOT. Don’t try to run your boat “flat”. You will soon equate the speed with the trim. Get that nose up and let her fly.
I’m still learning myself. I find that my boat rides better at WOT with two people and gear and full live well.
Come back and post your results. Good luck.
Unravels, Jim and I have compared a lot of notes on our PII’s w/ 4s 200 Merc. My 2020 has seen a speed best of 76.1mph with 23p Fury 3 and 15 gallons of fuel (just me). Average 72mph (Fury3 23p, tournament load, 30 gallons fuel). Average 70-71mph w/ 23 Trophy Plus, tournament load, 30 gallons of fuel). You have to drive the chine from 68 to get Top End. I like the way the Trophy carrie’s the boat (lifts whole hull throughout the range – Fury runs flat until 5000 RPMs. I typically get 6150-6200RPMS with the Trophy, and 5900-6000 with the Fury.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Gerard
Jim and Barrigj both give excellent advice.
I have a 2 stroke, but also run a Trophy plus. Its a bit slower then the Fury 3, but the overall driving experience is better. I also agree with Jim. Trying to run top end speed with the boat flat creates a quicker chine. I find it easier to drive with the nose flying. This could be due to the Trophy and the stern lift it produces. Each rig has its own personality. Bump the trim slow until you find the happy spot.
Don
Appreciate the advice guys. I am sure a lot of my issues are due to inexperience. It’s a fun boat, realistically faster than I probably need, but I want to learn to get what I can out of it.
After to talking to Jim, sounds like I need to run the motor a little lower on the jack plate and run the trim a little higher to get the nose up. I thought it was supposed to run close to flat, but sounds like I need to get used to running the nose higher if want to get that last little bit. Will take it slow and get there.
Don and Gerard, thanks for the input too. Sounds like I have 2 good props for my setup. I just have to learn how to run it.
My boat is in for some warranty work right now, but will give it a try when I get it back in a couple weeks.
Thanks,
Chris
Unravels, here is picture of my jack plate height. It’s a tad over 1/4 ” on this side but exactly 1/4″ on the other side. Each pencil mark is 1/4″ below and above 3″ PTP.
Hi,
I have a 2022 Pantera 2 with the 200 Pro XS stroke that came with a Fury 24. I only have 10 hours on it and it is in storage for the winter, but I also experienced the same issues as others in this post. This is not my first boat but it is the first that will exceed 50mph and I am still getting used to it. I really appreciate everything that was shared in this post and based on what I have read I am thinking I am over propped. I am leaning towards the 23 pitch Trophy Plus , but I was wondering if anyone tried a 22 pitch Fury 3? It looks like it the RPMs would be right in the 6100-6200 range.
BCGlenn, I’m glad you were helped with my thread. The Trophy+ is perfect for me and you should see that too. I wanted you to know that I also have a 22 pitch Tempest with a little cup added and it runs very similar to the Trophy. I turned it ~6150 rpms at 71 mph. The added cup seemed to hold the nose up similar to the Trophy. If you can borrow a 22 Fury 3 go ahead and give it a try.
Barrigj has run a 23 Fury and he gets higher speed with rpms still within 6000-6200.
“In storage for the winter” is something that would drive me crazy here is Louisiana. LOL
Thanks JEH. I will see if I can find one and I will post the results if I do. It probably won’t be until May as our lakes freeze over in November and stay like that until the end of April.
I feel for you and all the others up there. 72 deg. f. here today but cold front passing through again tomorrow. Rain and cold until the process repeats again once a week. Fishing a tournament next weekend. I would “Ice Fish” if I was there but only out of desperation. LOL
Congrats on your new P2. Can you share a picture?
I only have the one pic and it doesn’t do it justice, but here it is.
Here’s Mine.
I love on the water pics. I really need to get one of my new boat.
Well I got my boat back after getting some warranty work done on the lower unit. So I could try out the suggestions.
I adjusted the jack plate same as Jim’s, 1/4 inch above flush. Trophy 23 all plugs blocked. Got to take it out yesterday. 2 guys, full tank of gas, loaded, was able to get 69 at a little over 6000 rpms. Tried running the trim a little higher than I usually would, above neutral where pad and lower are even/level, picked up some more RPMs. Never felt unstable, but would feel it lift. Probably could have gone a little faster, will have to save that for another day. Liked how boat ran, but seemed to porpoise at low speeds more than when the engine was higher, probably something I am doing. The holeshot is awesome like this, just hooks up and goes. Me getting used to how it runs and adapting to it will make it better.
Appreciate the help. Will have to play with the Fury 23 eventually too.
Sounds like you are on your way. Just need more seat time. Porpoising maybe trim too much at low speed. What I notice is more speed more trim. Less speed less trim. Seat time will fix this for you. Wherever you were on the trim going 69 at 6000 says to give a little more trim and you will get there. Good luck.
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